Jeanne (de la Batte) Néel (bef. 1666 - abt. 1734)

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Contents 1 Biography 1.1 SAG nr. 1.2 Name 1.3 Birth 1.4 Baptism 1.5 Marriage 1.6 Migration 1.7 Death 2 Research Notes 3 Sources

Biography

SAG nr.

SM/PROG ^[1]

Name

Jeanne la Batte ^{[1][2][3][4][5]} / Jeanne de la Batte ^{[1][6][7][8][9][10]} / Jean de la Batte ^[11] / Jeanne (Johanna) Nel ^[1] / Johanna de la Batte ^[1] / Jeanne la Bat ^[12]/ Jeanne (Johanna) Nel^[13] / Johanna de la Batte^[13] Nel ^[8][12][10]

Birth

Date: Jeanne la Batte / Jeanne la Bat was born about 1662 ^[10] / about 1663 ^{[1][6][2][8][9][3][4][12][5]} / April 1666 ^[14] / before 1670. ^[11]

Place: Saumur ^{[1][7][9][3][4][12]} / Saumeer ^[6] / Saumour ^[2], Loire ^[9] / Loire River ^[1] / (Isère ^[4]) Anjou ^{[1][2][3][12]} Maine-et-Loire ^{[1][6][4][12]}, Pays de la Loire ^[1][6][4], France ^{[1][6][8][9][4][12]} / Frankryk ^[2][7]

Baptism

Date: 1663, Rouen, Normandy, France (Alt Christening 1663 Samour On The Loire River.) ^[1]

Marriage

Date: 3 May 1685 ‎(Age 22)‎ Guillaume NEL - ‎Amsterdam, North Holland. ^[1]

Children ^[1]:

• Johanna (Jeanne) NEL 1688 on board of Borssenburg ^[1]
• Cornelia NEL 1694 (age 31) Stellenbosch, Cape Colony ^[1]
• Pieter Willem NEL 1704 Stellenbosch, Cape Colony ^[1]
• Hester NEL 1706 Stellenbosch, Cape Colony ^[1]

and seven more sons ^[1]

Date: 03 May 1685 ^[4]

Place: Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands ^[4]

Husband: Guillaume Nees ^[4]

Wife: Jeanne La Batte ^[4]

Child: Cornelia Nel ^[4]

Child: Pieter Willem Nel ^[4]

Date: 03 May 1685 ^[4]

Place: Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands ^[4]

Husband: Jacques Labatte ^[4]

Wife: Susanna Laurent ^[4]

Child: Jeanne La Batte ^[4]

Date: 1672 ^{[citation needed]}

Migration

Date: before 1690 ^[2][15]

Place: aan boord die Brossenberg ^[2] / "Borssenburg" ^[16] met man en twee kinders. ^[2]

In 1688, Jeanne de la Batte and Guillaume Néel arrived at the Cape from Amsterdam on board the Schelde (this vessel is speculation on the part of Pieter Coertzen), accompanied by Jeanne Néel and Jean Néel. ^[9][17]

Death

Date: Jeanne la Bat passed away about 1734 ^[12] / about 1737. ^{[1][8][3][4][10]}

Place: Blaauwklippen ^[12] Cape of Good Hope ^[1] / District ^[12] [Cape Town] ^[6][12] / Stellenbosch, Good Hope [Western Cape] ^[4], [South Africa] ^[6][4][12]

Research Notes

• See: "My interest was sparked when I lived in Holland in the 90s and found an entry under "Neel" in the Municipal Archives [Bevolkingsregister 1689] to see what was there - I found the original house where Guillaime Neel lived in 1689 (ironically I arrived in Amsterdam in 1989). Guillaime Neel lived in Bethanielsteeg which is in the Red Light District today. He evidently met Jeanne de la Batte from Pijlsteeg (opposite the Palace) and they got married a year later. As far as I know both their children were born in Amsterdam, but by the time they got to the Cape the children no longer could speak French. The family worked for the VOC and was paid 80 rijksdaalders to settle in Grootdrakenstein. Curiously, the house where the De La Battes lived - demolished in 1937 - was occupied by a man called Jan Bats. The question is: is Jan Bats related to the De La Battes, and had the family lived in that house for just under 300 years?" ^[18]
• Fanconi Anemia: Molecular and genealogical evidence for a founder effect in Fanconi anemia families of the Afrikaner population of South Africa. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2001 May 8;98(10):5734-9 Article in .pdf ^[1]

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13 1.14 1.15 1.16 1.17 1.18 1.19 1.20 1.21 1.22} WikiTree profile De la Batte-10 created by Karina Mulder through the import of export-Ancestors.ged on Jul 31, 2014. Sources:
   • Photocopies of manual Pedigree Records & Family Group Records. Publication: Rec 9 May 1996; Library 011-836-3787 (W); 011-615-1437 (H) 188 Highland Road, Kensington, Johannesburg, 2094 ABBR Photocopies of manual Pedigree Records & Family Group Records ABBR Basson, Marius. May 1996 (Note: Erasmus Register gives Saumeer, France)
   • http://www.hanekom.org.uk/phpgedview/individual.php?pid=I260&ged=lamprecht.ged&tab=0
   • Note: {geni:about_me}
   • pictures and description of Saumur, Jeanne's birthplace.
   • http://www.museum.co.za/flight.html
   • KAB MOOC 7/1/66 Ref 3
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7} WikiTree profile La Batte-2 created through the import of wikitree upload.ged on Jul 19, 2012 by Arrie Klopper.
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4} WikiTree profile La Batte-5 created through the import of Oberholzer Family Tree.ged by Gerhard Oberholzer on Apr 27, 2014.
4. ↑ ^{4.00 4.01 4.02 4.03 4.04 4.05 4.06 4.07 4.08 4.09 4.10 4.11 4.12 4.13 4.14 4.15 4.16 4.17 4.18 4.19 4.20} WikiTree profile La Batte-6 created through the import of Venter_2013_2015-01-12_2015-01-1402.ged on Jan 14, 2015 by Wilhelm Venter. Sources:
   • Author: Ancestry.com Title: Public Member Trees (Provo, UT, USA, Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2006). Repository: www.ancestry.com {Including these variants: Jeanne De La Bote / Jeanne DeLaBatte / Jeanne De La Batte}:
   • Author: Ancestry.com Title: Netherlands, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1910 Publication: Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2014;
   • Author: Ancestry.com Title: Netherlands, Select Marriages, 1565-1892 Publication: Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2014. Source:
   • Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Guillaume Néel
   • Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Hester Nel
   • Page: Database online. Data Text: Record for Jacques de La Batte
   • Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for King Ceraint Ap Greidiol
5. ↑ ^{5.0 5.1} WikiTree profile La Batte-3 created by Stephanie Murphy, Monday, February 3, 2014.
6. ↑ ^{6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 6.4 6.5 6.6 6.7} WikiTree profile De La Batte-1 created through the import of My Family.Pretorius.Van_Wyk.DeWaal.Potgieter.2011.ged on Sep 19, 2011 by Judy Potgieter.
7. ↑ ^{7.0 7.1 7.2} WikiTree profile De la Batte-2 created by Lou Larney, Nov 20, 2012.
8. ↑ ^{8.0 8.1 8.2 8.3 8.4} WikiTree profile De la Batte-3 created through the import of Van der Walt Family Tree.ged by Rene van der Walt on Jan 22, 2013.
9. ↑ ^{9.0 9.1 9.2 9.3 9.4 9.5} WikiTree profile De la Batte-5 created by Pieter Meyer.
10. ↑ ^{10.0 10.1 10.2 10.3} WikiTree profile De la Batte-13 created by Petrus Boshoff by 30 Jun 2020.
11. ↑ ^{11.0 11.1} WikiTree profile De la Batte-12 created by Gert Nel, Thursday, October 30, 2014.
12. ↑ ^{12.00 12.01 12.02 12.03 12.04 12.05 12.06 12.07 12.08 12.09 12.10 12.11} WikiTree profile La Bat-2 created by Nicoline van der Merwe, Tuesday, March 11, 2014.
13. ↑ ^{13.0 13.1}
14. ↑ At her ondertrouw on 14 April 1685 she was said to be 19 years old, therefore date of birth = before Apr 1666. Added by Alta Bekker at 22:30, 24 May 2021.
15. ↑ Entered by Pieter Meyer.
16. ↑ On the passenger list of the "Borssenburg" (Borssenburg - 2nd ship to leave Netherlands but 3rd ship to arrive at Cape, 150 feet long, could carry 80 passengers. Left Texel on 6 January, 1688, arrived at the Cape on 12 May 1688. No disease nor death on board. Belonged to the Chamber of Amsterdam, Captain Jan Claasje Valcquiijt.) they are named as: Guillame Neel (1663-1734) and Jeanne la Batte (1663-aft.1734) with their 2 children Jean Neel (1687-1740) and Jeanne Neel (1688-aft.1728). Sources: mostly Appendix 2 of "Hugenotebloed in ons are" by J.G. le Roux (1992; ISBN 0-7969-0566-5) and "French speakers at the Cape" by M. Boucher (1981, ISBN 0-86981-222-X) (Contributor: Lesley Robertson). Source: www.olivetreegenealogy.com Ships Carrying Huguenots to South Africa. Seen by Philip van der Walt Aug 9, 2014.
17. ↑ For the circumstances aboard the ships see the following source: "Since the sailing vessels bringing Huguenots to the Cape were mainly designed to carry cargo and little provision was made for passengers, one cannot help wondering how the passengers survived the 2 to 4 month voyage to reach the Cape, also keeping in mind that they were allowed only the minimum luggage.

    Questions and thoughts that arise are:

    • How did the parents keep their children occupied during spells of bad weather when they were not allowed on deck and how did the adults themselves while away the time?
    • How did they cope with laundry?
    • The food was insufficient and sometimes of poor quality, consisting mainly of salted meat, pickled fish, dried beans and peas and biscuits. As a result of this amount of salted food, bad drinking water and lack of fresh vegetables and fruit they often got scurvy. Sometimes there were scarcely enough healthy people on board to bring the ship into Table Bay harbour.

    Other problems and dangers that the passengers encountered were: storms, shipwrecks, fires, illnesses, death, capture by ships from hostile countries and piracy.

    For pregnant women and nursing mothers like Madeleine Menanteau, Jeanne la Batte and Sara Vitout it must have been even more difficult.

    With what soul-searching did the Huguenots see the coastline of Europe finally disappear below the horizon and what were their first impressions of Africa and the Cape of Good Hope?

    The harbour at the Cape had no dock and the passengers with their luggage had to be loaded into rowing-boats with the help of rope ladders and then be rowed to land.

    We will never really know what they felt and thought, but we do know that their religion sustained them and that God cared for, and protected them through all dangers and difficulties.

    Jean Prieur du Plessis and Madeleine Menanteau's son Charles was baptised on board the Oosterland on 18.4.1688.

    Guillaume Néel and Jeanne la Batte's daughter Jeanne was born on board the De Schelde in 1688.

    Jacques de la Porte and Sara Vitout's daughter Marie was born on board the Cattendyk in 1699."

18. ↑ Source: www.ancestry.com . surnames > Nel Seen and added by Philip van der Walt 24 June 2014.